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                        <title>RE: Truth and Reality</title>
                        <link>https://thermodynamic-evolution.org/community/what-is-truth/truth-and-reality/#post-358</link>
                        <pubDate>Mon, 14 Aug 2023 21:14:08 +0000</pubDate>
                        <description><![CDATA[Dr. Jordan, this is a very interesting topic, but I apologize for not discussing about the title &quot;Truth and Reality&quot; or the question&quot;what is a fact?&quot; I want to comment on this part of your i...]]></description>
                        <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dr. Jordan, this is a very interesting topic, but I apologize for not discussing about the title "Truth and Reality" or the question"what is a fact?" I want to comment on this part of your introductory statement:</p>
<p>"<span>the second “law” of thermodynamics is not a fact but a statistical statement. Boltzmann showed that because certain processes do not seem to occur – for example the spontaneous conversion of heat into mechanical energy – does not mean they are impossible, but extremely unlikely. In microscopic systems consisting of only a few molecules, the second law is violated regularly, but in macroscopic systems which consist of vast numbers of molecules, the probability that entropy will increase becomes virtual certainty.</span>"</p>
<p>especially on this part:<br />- "<span>In microscopic systems consisting of only a few molecules, the second law is violated regularly</span>"</p>
<p>Here, I disagree. The 2nd law of thermodynamics does not say anything about what is going on in certain open (smaller or bigger) systems, but it tells us about entropy growth on universal scale.</p>
<p>Hence, in a small system, where "dissipative structures" (I. Prigogine's term) are generated / self-organizing, entropy is exported out of this systems, but overall, in universal scale, entropy is increasing: a) because the dissipative structures can only be generated because an external energy source proved an overcritical amount of energy into that system which causes a lot of entropy be generated within the energy source, e. g. the sun; b) while the system exhibiting dissipative structures is exporting entropy (otherwise not complex structures), this amount of entropy adds to the entropy resulting from a)</p>
<p>==&gt; overall entropy increase, no violation of the 2nd law of thermodynamics.</p>
<p>With best regards.</p>
<p>Dr. Bernhard Wessling (bernhard@bernhard-wessling.com)</p>
<p>P.S.: may I add a kind of personal note, but no need to delete it because it is known anyway for those who look at my web site (www.bernhard-wessling.com) - I am happy to get to know about you and your work, and I was surprised to see that you bought a 100 acre farm, therefore my note to you<br />a) as a sideline work, I was always involved in nature and species protection (organized crane protection in a nature preserve near Hamburg / Germany, species protection by ecosystem protection, like you are promoting it)<br />b) this developed into crane research and an active involvement into the Whooping Crane Recovery project in US / Canada; I wrote a book about this, you can find it here: https://link.springer.com/book/10.1007/978-3-030-98283-6 and on my web site<br />c) as another sideline project, I invested into a biologically working farm, small to begin with, and we developed it becoming quite a big bio farm, working now on 450 hectares rented land (= 1,112 acres, if my calculator tells me the "truth"), 90 people, 7 of our own "farm shops", 5 of which in Hamburg, and more than 1,000 members in our CSA groups.<br /><br /><br /></p>]]></content:encoded>
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                        <title>4 bizarre paradoxes</title>
                        <link>https://thermodynamic-evolution.org/community/what-is-time/4-bizarre-paradoxes/#post-323</link>
                        <pubDate>Fri, 03 Mar 2023 23:31:59 +0000</pubDate>
                        <description><![CDATA[There is nothing in Einstein’s theories of relativity to rule out time travel, although the very notion of traveling to the past violates one of the most fundamental premises of physics, tha...]]></description>
                        <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is nothing in Einstein’s theories of relativity to rule out time travel, although the very notion of traveling to the past violates one of the most fundamental premises of physics, that of causality. With the laws of cause and effect out the window, there naturally arises a number of inconsistencies associated with time travel, and listed here are some of those paradoxes which have given both scientists and time travel movie buffs alike more than a few sleepless nights over the years.<br /><br /><span style="font-size: 18pt"><strong>Types of Temporal Paradoxes</strong></span><br />The time travel paradoxes that follow fall into two broad categories:<br /><br />1) Closed Causal Loops, such as the Predestination Paradox and the Bootstrap Paradox, which involve a self-existing time loop in which cause and effect run in a repeating circle, but is also internally consistent with the timeline’s history.<br /><br />2) Consistency Paradoxes, such as the Grandfather Paradox and other similar variants such as The Hitler paradox, and Polchinski’s Paradox, which generate a number of timeline inconsistencies related to the possibility of altering the past.<br /><br /><strong><span style="font-size: 14pt">1: Predestination Paradox</span></strong><br />A Predestination Paradox occurs when the actions of a person traveling back in time become part of past events, and may ultimately cause the event he is trying to prevent to take place. The result is a ‘temporal causality loop’ in which Event 1 in the past influences Event 2 in the future (time travel to the past) which then causes Event 1 to occur.<br /><br />This circular loop of events ensures that history is not altered by the time traveler, and that any attempts to stop something from happening in the past will simply lead to the cause itself, instead of stopping it. Predestination paradoxes suggest that things are always destined to turn out the same way and that whatever has happened must happen.<br /><br />Sound complicated? Imagine that your lover dies in a hit-and-run car accident, and you travel back in time to save her from her fate, only to find that on your way to the accident you are the one who accidentally runs her over. Your attempt to change the past has therefore resulted in a predestination paradox. One way of dealing with this type of paradox is to assume that the version of events you have experienced are already built into a self-consistent version of reality, and that by trying to alter the past you will only end up fulfilling your role in creating an event in history, not altering it.<br /><br />– Cinema Treatment<br />In The Time Machine (2002) movie, for instance, Dr. Alexander Hartdegen witnesses his fiancee being killed by a mugger, leading him to build a time machine to travel back in time to save her from her fate. His subsequent attempts to save her fail, though, leading him to conclude that “I could come back a thousand times… and see her die a thousand ways.” After then traveling centuries into the future to see if a solution has been found to the temporal problem, Hartdegen is told by the Über-Morlock:<br /><br />“You built your time machine because of Emma’s death. If she had lived, it would never have existed, so how could you use your machine to go back and save her? You are the inescapable result of your tragedy, just as I am the inescapable result of you.”<br /><br />Movies: Examples of predestination paradoxes in the movies include 12 Monkeys (1995), TimeCrimes (2007), The Time Traveler’s Wife (2009), and Predestination (2014).<br />Books: An example of a predestination paradox in a book is Phoebe Fortune and the Pre-destination Paradox by M.S. Crook.</p>
<p><br /><strong><span style="font-size: 14pt">2: Bootstrap Paradox</span></strong><br />A Bootstrap Paradox is a type of paradox in which an object, person, or piece of information sent back in time results in an infinite loop where the object has no discernible origin, and exists without ever being created. It is also known as an Ontological Paradox, as ontology is a branch of philosophy concerned with the nature of being or existence.<br /><br />– Information: George Lucas traveling back in time and giving himself the scripts for the Star War movies which he then goes on to direct and gain great fame for would create a bootstrap paradox involving information, as the scripts have no true point of creation or origin.<br /><br />– Person: A bootstrap paradox involving a person could be, say, a 20-year-old male time traveler who goes back 21 years, meets a woman, has an affair, and returns home three months later without knowing the woman was pregnant. Her child grows up to be the 20-year-old time traveler, who travels back 21 years through time, meets a woman, and so on. American science fiction writer Robert Heinlein wrote a strange short story involving a sexual paradox in his 1959 classic “All You Zombies.”<br /><br />These ontological paradoxes imply that the future, present, and past are not defined, thus giving scientists an obvious problem on how to then pinpoint the “origin” of anything, a word customarily referring to the past, but now rendered meaningless. Further questions arise as to how the object/data was created, and by whom. Nevertheless, Einstein’s field equations allow for the possibility of closed time loops, with Kip Thorne the first theoretical physicist to recognize traversable wormholes and backward time travel as being theoretically possible under certain conditions.<br /><br />Movies: Examples of bootstrap paradoxes in the movies include Somewhere in Time (1980), Bill and Ted’s Excellent Adventure (1989), the Terminator movies, and Time Lapse (2014). The Netflix series Dark (2017-19) also features a book called ‘A Journey Through Time’ which presents another classic example of a bootstrap paradox.<br />Books: Examples of bootstrap paradoxes in books include Michael Moorcock’s ‘Behold The Man’, Tim Powers’ The Anubis Gates, and Heinlein’s “By His Bootstraps”</p>
<p><span style="font-size: 14pt"><strong>3: Grandfather Paradox</strong></span><br />5 Paradoxes Of Time Travel ExplainedThe Grandfather Paradox concerns ‘self-inconsistent solutions’ to a timeline’s history caused by traveling back in time. For example, if you traveled to the past and killed your grandfather, you would never have been born and would not have been able to travel to the past – a paradox.<br /><br />Let’s say you did decide to kill your grandfather because he created a dynasty that ruined the world. You figure if you knock him off before he meets your grandmother then the whole family line (including you) will vanish and the world will be a better place. According to theoretical physicists, the situation could play out as follows:<br /><br />– Timeline protection hypothesis: You pop back in time, walk up to him, and point a revolver at his head. You pull the trigger but the gun fails to fire. Click! Click! Click! The bullets in the chamber have dents in the firing caps. You point the gun elsewhere and pull the trigger. Bang! Point it at your grandfather.. Click! Click! Click! So you try another method to kill him, but that only leads to scars that in later life he attributed to the world’s worst mugger. You can do many things as long as they’re not fatal until you are chased off by a policeman.<br /><br />– Multiple universes hypothesis: You pop back in time, walk up to him, and point a revolver at his head. You pull the trigger and Boom! The deed is done. You return to the “present,” but you never existed here. Everything about you has been erased, including your family, friends, home, possessions, bank account, and history. You’ve entered a timeline where you never existed. Scientists entertain the possibility that you have now created an alternate timeline or entered a parallel universe.<br /><br />Movies: Example of the Grandfather Paradox in movies include Back to the Future (1985), Back to the Future Part II (1989), and Back to the Future Part III (1990).<br />Books: Example of the Grandfather Paradox in books include Dr. Quantum in the Grandfather Paradox by Fred Alan Wolf, The Grandfather Paradox by Steven Burgauer, and Future Times Three (1944) by René Barjavel, the very first treatment of a grandfather paradox in a novel.</p>
<p><span style="font-size: 14pt"><strong>4: Let’s Kill Hitler Paradox</strong></span><br />Similar to the Grandfather Paradox which paradoxically prevents your own birth, the Killing Hitler paradox erases your own reason for going back in time to kill him. Furthermore, while killing Grandpa might have a limited “butterfly effect,” killing Hitler would have far-reaching consequences for everyone in the world, even if only for the fact you studied him in school.<br /><br />The paradox itself arises from the idea that if you were successful, then there would be no reason to time travel in the first place. If you killed Hitler then none of his actions would trickle down through history and cause you to want to make the attempt.<br /><br />Movies/Shows: By far the best treatment for this notion occurred in a Twilight Zone episode called Cradle of Darkness which sums up the difficulties involved in trying to change history, with another being an episode of Dr Who called ‘Let’s Kill Hitler’.<br />Books: Examples of the Let’s Kill Hitler Paradox in books include How to Kill Hitler: A Guide For Time Travelers by Andrew Stanek, and the graphic novel I Killed Adolf Hitler by Jason.<br />5: Polchinski’s Paradox<br />American theoretical physicist Joseph Polchinski proposed a time paradox scenario in which a billiard ball enters a wormhole, and emerges out the other end in the past just in time to collide with its younger version and stop it from going into the wormhole in the first place.<br /><br />Polchinski’s paradox is taken seriously by physicists, as there is nothing in Einstein’s General Relativity to rule out the possibility of time travel, closed time-like curves (CTCs), or tunnels through space-time. Furthermore, it has the advantage of being based upon the laws of motion, without having to refer to the indeterministic concept of free will, and so presents a better research method for scientists to think about the paradox. When Joseph Polchinski proposed the paradox, he had Novikov’s Self-Consistency Principle in mind, which basically states that while time travel is possible, time paradoxes are forbidden.<br /><br />However, a number of solutions have been formulated to avoid the inconsistencies Polchinski suggested, which essentially involves the billiard ball delivering a blow that changes its younger version’s course, but not enough to stop it from entering the wormhole. This solution is related to the ‘timeline-protection hypothesis’ which states that a probability distortion would occur in order to prevent a paradox from happening. This also helps explain why if you tried to time travel and murder your grandfather, something will always happen to make that impossible, thus preserving a consistent version of history.<br /><br />Books: Paradoxes of Time Travel by Ryan Wasserman is a wide-ranging exploration of time and time travel, including Polchinski’s Paradox.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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                        <title>RE: Animals bring Advantages to Ecosystems</title>
                        <link>https://thermodynamic-evolution.org/community/why-are-there-animals/animals-bring-advantages-to-ecosystems/#post-316</link>
                        <pubDate>Thu, 01 Dec 2022 11:32:40 +0000</pubDate>
                        <description><![CDATA[Preparing compost often is more expensive than applying fertilizer. Only when it becomes cheaper will it be used on a large scale.]]></description>
                        <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Preparing compost often is more expensive than applying fertilizer. Only when it becomes cheaper will it be used on a large scale.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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                        <title>RE: Truth and Reality</title>
                        <link>https://thermodynamic-evolution.org/community/what-is-truth/truth-and-reality/#post-287</link>
                        <pubDate>Sun, 25 Sep 2022 01:24:55 +0000</pubDate>
                        <description><![CDATA[Yes, there is strong evidence that humans self-organize to survive, but labeling this tendency as a “truth” does not mean it is a scientific truth, that is something that is always true ever...]]></description>
                        <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, there is strong evidence that humans self-organize to survive, but labeling this tendency as a “truth” does not mean it is a scientific truth, that is something that is always true everywhere. What is the probability that humans self-organize to survive?  If it is less than 100%, it is not a scientific truth, but merely a label applied to a phenomenon that is sometimes true. If it is 100%, that is we have never so far found an exception, there must be something in Human’s DNA that is an ultimate scientific truth. This means that sequences of nucleotides in DNA that determine an individual’s behavior as well as phenotype (gene expression) must be a scientific truth.  </p>
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                        <title>RE: Why does Life Exist?</title>
                        <link>https://thermodynamic-evolution.org/community/why-does-life-exist/what-is-life/#post-286</link>
                        <pubDate>Sun, 25 Sep 2022 00:13:26 +0000</pubDate>
                        <description><![CDATA[Yes, religion does all those things, as well as make people feel that they have a purpose in life.  But the purpose of this forum was to ask, why does life exist? Not why does religion exist...]]></description>
                        <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, religion does all those things, as well as make people feel that they have a purpose in life.  But the purpose of this forum was to ask, why does life exist? Not why does religion exist?</p>
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                        <title>RE: Why do Animals Poop?</title>
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                        <pubDate>Thu, 22 Sep 2022 00:43:42 +0000</pubDate>
                        <description><![CDATA[Why do Animals Poop?
Once animals evolved, it was important that nutrients in their food be recycled, and not tied up in the bodies of animals.  Recycling in ecosystems has been necessary f...]]></description>
                        <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Why do Animals Poop?</strong></p>
<p>Once animals evolved, it was important that nutrients in their food be recycled, and not tied up in the bodies of animals.  Recycling in ecosystems has been necessary for sustainable ecosystem function.  Defecation is an important step in recycling.</p>
<p>About 75% of fecal material is water.  A large proportion of the solid matter in feces consists of bacteria. Bacteria in the gut intestinal tract produce enzymes that break down cellulose, cholesterol, inorganic nutrients, and proteins into compounds that can pass through the intestinal wall.  However, some of these compounds are used by the bacteria themselves to build their own structure.  These compounds are lost to animals when bacteria are defecated.</p>
<p> Losing all these molecules instead of retaining and using them seems like a very inefficient use of food. Why are animals so wasteful? Why does not the digestive system retain all the bacterial material until it all breaks down and nutrients are absorbed through the intestine wall? One reason animals poop may be to get rid of pathogenic bacteria.</p>
<p>From an ecosystem perspective, the reason for defecation is that it is necessary to maintain nutrient flow to plants. Nutrients bound in the structure of the defecated bacteria are released by soil bacteria, rendering the nutrients available to plants. If all the nutrients were to be bound up in animal biomass, none would be available for autotrophs growing in the soil. The whole system would come to a stop.   Leakage is necessary to keep the system going. “Inefficiency” at the organism scale is “efficiency” at the ecosystem scale.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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                        <title>RE: Truth and Reality</title>
                        <link>https://thermodynamic-evolution.org/community/what-is-truth/truth-and-reality/#post-284</link>
                        <pubDate>Wed, 21 Sep 2022 18:21:21 +0000</pubDate>
                        <description><![CDATA[In my travels, I have observed that most world religions have common denominators. Tenets of religions in many cases are centered around taking care of yourself and others; providing a frame...]]></description>
                        <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p> In my travels, I have observed that most world religions have common denominators. Tenets of religions in many cases are centered around taking care of yourself and others; providing a framework for behaving in a shared area. The gods often have different names and the details can vary greatly but just as we are all humans but speak different languages, we all have some framework of behavior that is shaped by social norms and religion. This in my view is strong evidence that there is a common "truth" and that is that humans self-organize to survive. We have lots of evidence of that; it's so essential to our existence it's a reason to go to war.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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                        <title>RE: Why does Life Exist?</title>
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                        <pubDate>Wed, 21 Sep 2022 18:02:45 +0000</pubDate>
                        <description><![CDATA[@thermoevogmail-com I do not agree with the origin of religion premise. Religion evolved, over time, in many civilizations and with similar covenants to provide the most evolved organisms in...]]></description>
                        <content:encoded><![CDATA[@thermoevogmail-com I do not agree with the origin of religion premise. Religion evolved, over time, in many civilizations and with similar covenants to provide the most evolved organisms in any ecosystem a measuring/ best-practices system for their existence. Religion is often a key to survival in history; so religion in many ways served to support what we can now explain scientifically. It's too reductionistic to claim it was to make people feel good or better. Religions involve belief systems that incorporate eating recommendations, behavior recommendations and rituals that actually help you live longer. Most religions encourage things like eating in a certain order, cleanliness, reflection, learning....which all help survival.]]></content:encoded>
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                        <title>RE: Why does Life Exist?</title>
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                        <pubDate>Sat, 17 Sep 2022 23:55:35 +0000</pubDate>
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The thermodynamic view says that the purpose of life is to reduce the energy gradient between solar energy entering the Earth and heat radiating out. That is a ...]]></description>
                        <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@anabel </p>
<p>Reply to Comment 1</p>
<p>The thermodynamic view says that the purpose of life is to reduce the energy gradient between solar energy entering the Earth and heat radiating out. That is a difficult premise for people to accept. Therefore, religion was invented so that people could feel better about the struggles they were enduring. That is why Karl Marx called religion the opiate of the masses. Psychological counseling also was invented to help people create a reason to keep on living.</p>
<p>Reply to Comment 2</p>
<p>The idea of group selection and group consciousness is rejected by biologists who believe that natural selection is based solely on reproductive success. These scientists say that evolutionary selection is based only on self-interest (see “The Selfish Gene”by Richard Dawkins). Thermodynamic theory says that selection is based on power output, and since groups are more powerful than individuals in war and other forms of competition for resources, there is a tendency for selection of individuals that are inclined for group and ecosystem interaction,  and group and ecosystem consciousness.</p>
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                        <title>RE: Why does Life Exist?</title>
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                        <pubDate>Fri, 16 Sep 2022 14:28:39 +0000</pubDate>
                        <description><![CDATA[Comment 2. It&#039;s an interesting concept that ecosystems have consciousness. When I have seen bees at work in the past, I have very clearly seen a collective consciousness towards a common goa...]]></description>
                        <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Comment 2. It's an interesting concept that ecosystems have consciousness. When I have seen bees at work in the past, I have very clearly seen a collective consciousness towards a common goal- a non-visible connective tissue unting the bees to their queen, their hive, their movements. </p>
<p>At Spring Valley Farm I remember how at the duck pond all the ducks would take actions together.</p>
<p>Another good example of an ecosystem consciousness was when some of the pigs were harvested at the farm, and stress was spreading through the remaining swine; in lieu of hiding for example  to avoid their fate- they started fornicating.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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